Slower people move over

[flyingMINI]

I had my first trip to the Dragon last week and loved it! The only problem I had was as I was wanting to drive it spiritedly, in a MINI, most of the others going slower would not move over:( . The ones I experienced that wouldn't move were mostly cruisers and a few cars. Being in a 'cage' I cannot and won't pass unless the one in front of me moves to the side in one of the pull off spots. I know some people may not want to stop and I'm not asking that, but I am wondering why they won't even slow down and pull off to the side to let those who want to drive it faster go by them:confused: . I would think it would be just common courtesy to let someone behind you go by, no matter what kind of vehicle they are in or you are in.

Maybe there needs to be a 'gentleman's rule' of 'slower traffic momentarily move over'.

There were several times I would move over to let a sportbike go by, I didn't have to, but I knew they wanted to go faster than me.

I greatly enjoyed the Dragon and am looking forward to going back. There really is nothing else like it.

[748L052]

...those days are gone forever
the only place the're still at
is up under some old kneedraggers
sweat stained hardhat...

(apologies for "paraphrasing" an actual, published "cowboy poet")

[Dragonslayer]

You're definately right. I've passed and have been passed. For a car I can understand it may not be easy to move over much, but I appreciate when they pull off a bit or wave me around when they see it's safe to pass. Many cruiser bikes have done the same, it's easier for them, but some would rather not. I hope they just haven't seen me rather than just being stuck up.

[MilleArp]

....The ones I experienced that wouldn't move were mostly cruisers ......

Not sure how nationwide this is, but I have noticed that when traffic is being held up it's usually grandma/pa, buick or minivan with driver on cellphone, or a couple cruisers/HDs.
:mad:
You expect cagers to be ignorant of their surroundings, as most think the other 7,000,000,000 people on the planet simply disappear when the doors close.

But, personally, I expect more from fellow riders..... Bikers (usually) tend to be (and want to be) more aware.
If you find yourself inadvertantly at the head of a conga line, move over or pull over.
Pretty simple......
.

[flyingMINI]

I like that verbage 'conga line'! I don't like being apart of one on wheels wether I'm on 2 or in 4 wheels; I do think they are fun when on your feet!

Come on guys if you've started a conga line on wheels even if it's just you and the person behind ya, let the person behind you go by. We want to share the Dragon, not hog it. (no pun intended, kinda sorta!:p )

I do want to thank the cruisers and the vette that did move over for me.;)

Is there someone who can make a really cool sign that Deal's Gap could put up?

[misfire]

I had my first trip to the Dragon last week and loved it! The only problem I had was as I was wanting to drive it spiritedly, in a MINI, most of the others going slower would not move over:( . The ones I experienced that wouldn't move were mostly cruisers...

Ahhh Man, That was you!? :D

Seriously though...with my vast experience in riding the Dragon :cool: I've been held back twice. Once was by a couple of ladies in a minivan who were more interested in having a conversation than the road and the second was a young lady on a cruiser being followed by her boyfriend/husband. It was quite apparent that she was nervous. Both times when it became obvious they were not going to let me pass I pulled off the road. The way I see it is I'm not in a race or being timed and I came a long way for this experience and was not going to let myself get upset over something this minor. I pulled off the road, shut down, fired up a butt and watched the show. I got some of my best video and photos this way. I agree with you, the slower people should pull over...but...short of putting people out there with flags to make them pull over it ain't gonna happen. We just gotta make the best of it. Just my $.02. I'm done.

(The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily those of a sane person)

Stay Safe!

[spiderweb]

Last time I checked 129 was a public road not a closed circuit race course. You run like you want and the rest of will run it like we want. To many of you guys ragging on cruisers. Deals gap is not an exclusive play ground for sport bikes and
sport cars ! Seems to me there are only one or two legal spots to pass. All those idots passing on curves with double yellow lines are endangering the lives of others. Thats selfish and your breaking the law!

[chrisarrington]

I drive for a living. Sales. I actually came up on a Harley just a little while ago on a decently curvy road. Keep in mind that I am in a 97 Explorer. It is not a corner carving beast but I had to slow way down behind them.

[updated]

Last time I checked 129 was a public road not a closed circuit race course. You run like you want and the rest of will run it like we want. To many of you guys ragging on cruisers. Deals gap is not an exclusive play ground for sport bikes and
sport cars ! Seems to me there are only one or two legal spots to pass. All those idots passing on curves with double yellow lines are endangering the lives of others. Thats selfish and your breaking the law!



Funny that would come from a person with a Harley Davidson avatar.
Nothing against HD. I have 4 friends that work there, 1 has a Harley so damn
Loud I can feel it in my chest when riding beside him.
The dragon is NOT a very scenic road.Lots of trees on both sides blocking your view.
Lots of TIGHT corners not allowing you to take your eyes off the road for more than a second
The dragon IS a public road, but it is the only road in the great USA that I know of, where you heat your tires to the melting point and not go over 40mph witch is the speed limit plus 10 that cops will give you due to
Inconsistencies of speedometers and radar.
There are other roads in the area that are much more scenic and not over loaded with 'go fast guys'.
I travel 10 hours to get to this road and if I wanted go slow and look at all the pretty trees, flowers, birds or what ever people that sight see look at, I would just ride around some back roads here in PA.
Try not to take offence,"PLEASE READ THIS NEXT SENTENCE WITH EXCITEMENT AND VOLUME" and I know everyone has an opinion but motorcycles are about feeling the horses under you, feeling the arm buckling forces when hard on the brakes, feeling the front tire leave the ground when dropping the hammer on the clutch.
It is not about the WIND IN YOUR HAIR and crap like that. I get in my wife’s convertible, and all it does is give me wind burn, and it encourages me to put the top up, and air conditioner on.

[schraderj]

The speed limit on that stretch is 40? I thought it was only 30, so now I feel even slower :eek: . In any case, I enjoyed the ride at 25-30 and would have hated to go any faster than I was comfortable with just to keep up the pace with everyone else. When I saw someone behind me I had to resist the urge to speed up and simply pulled over where it was possible. Anything else would have been irresponsible because my speeding up to accomodate a faster rider/driver is only going to create an accident that will ruin everyone's ride. That's also why I tried to start out earlier in the day than many other people - I could enjoy the road without too much rage.

Speed and tires leaving the ground is not a thrill for me (although I respect your right to love it) - I enjoy leaning and meeting the curves of the road in a harmony that is almost like dancing, but I guess I enjoy it at a less frantic pace than others.

[Dragonslayer]

There's a reason I don't rag on cruisers,...because I have one, a Harley bagger to be exact. I ride my UltraClassic when I want to take a long trip, and I ride my Buell when I want to go fast on the twisties. Yes, 129 is a public road and no one has more right to it than anyone else. However, if you want to come to the Dragon, you WILL have to deal with kneedraggin' fast bikes. Moving to the right a little (when you get the chance) is simply a act of courtesy.

[Tank]

You run like you want and the rest of will run it like we want.

Please do run it how you want to run it, but allow me to run it the way I want to run it also. If you are slowing down to 10mph in the curves would it really hurt you to continue at 10mph for another 30 feet after the curve to make it safer and easier for me to pass you? I am there for the same reason you are there: to have fun. I let lots of faster riders past me all the time and I still have fun. In fact I enjoy being passed by faster riders so that I can ride behind them and watch them for a couple of turns.

In my opinion, anyone with a line of 20 or 30 bikes stacked up behind him is a total jackass. Sometimes I am just flat out embarrassed to be from Ohio. When my wife was first learning she was the slowest person on the Hill, but she never had to ruin other peoples ride so she could enjoy hers.

[748L052]

LOLOL

Every time this comes up I recall this fantasy...

I show up a spring training camp somewhere in FL with one of the majors & announce "hey guys, I'm gonna' play short stop today"...

LOLOLOLOLOL

Only forever this place is about quick, extraordinarily difficult sport riding. I started in in '70's. Where the ???? were you? We all passed & let pass. We all trusted each other. We could/can actually ride mountain roads. No body brought their RR mentality. Scenery? Get off & walk/hike. I've done it for over 30 years now. Loose some weight, stop smoking & drinking & come back in Feburary, for instance. Walk.

You would'nt even be here unless some how you got the idea from some media nonsense, totally out side actual bikes, this is the happenin' deal. Go home! Stay away!

Totally tired of being lectured about why the gap road equivalent of sitting in the left lane holding up the rest of the world is "the right thing to do"

Don't bother...

...the next strange, to you, sound is the slack coming out of my static line.

[flyingMINI]

Yes, hwy 129 is a public road for EVERYONE to enjoy no matter what they are in or on. I wouldn't ask anyone to not be apart of such a great road. A ton of people drive hours to cruise and run these sweet curves.

I also wouldn't want anyone to go faster than they are comfortable with because that does cause wrecks and I for one don't want anyone to get hurt. BUT..... why can't those who are going slower than the person behind them move over and let them by????!!!!

I don't have anything against cruisers/HD, I think they are some really awesome lookin' bikes. Sport bikes are fast, fun, and sweet. My thing are cars, sport cars. The curves on sport cars are sexy and bring a thump, thump to my heart. (I do, btw, place my MINI in that category. Her curves are different, but it's the power and handling in her that makes my heart go pitter patter.)

What has happened to common courtesy?! If I'm slower than someone else I will move over and let them by no matter what they are in or on.

Why Can't YOU!!??

[flyingMINI]

Totally tired of being lectured about why the gap road equivalent of sitting in the left lane holding up the rest of the world is "the right thing to do"



Right on Brother!! This is attitude you feel like is being presented whether it is or not. That's almost as bad because it's like it's being done on purpose.

[brad@dealsgap]

Well Gang I think it is a safe bet to jump in and say you have the potintial to run into both situations everytime to hit the gap, or any other 2 lane road in the US. People who will let you you pass and people who will not. I took a pass yesterday and passed 8 other bikes, all waived me by and I passed at a safe location. As well as I was passed by several folks inthe same manner. If I do a run today, may run into someone who will not. Personaly I just back off and let them finish their thing and hang out at the overlook. Not a big deal either way. I look at it as if they hold me up, for a short time, oh well their is always another pass.

[spiderweb]

I never said I wouldnt move over and let people pass. In fact I have many times on each trip I've had to deals gap. But what I dont like is the the 20 year old no fear thing when guys are passing on blind curves with the possiblity of one of those trucks or people that can't stay in there own lane coming in the other direction. They are putting others lives at risk for the satisfaction of quick run down the dragon. Ya I ride a Harley and Im slower than a crotch rocket but I grind off half my floor boards everytime I come down there. Ive been riding for over 30 years on the road and dirtbikes and have logged over 200,000 miles on the road and im still alive to ride tomorrow. How many guys have died down there in the last few years ? Ive heard about many wrecks down there this year already. One recently involved a father and son. You gotta ask yourself is it really worth it ? Myself I prefer to ride another day. And as far as the forum member 748L052 who must be a local telling me to stay home. Dont forget its the dollars from the people visiting that area that keep local business thriving. Without the money that out of state bikers bring. Deals gap would still be just a place for hunting and fishing.

[Ben]

wow, such differing responses. Bottom line, if your holding 5 or more vehicles up, you are impeding traffic, as atated in the road rules of TN.

My take on it is simple. I can ride here tomorrow, so if your in my way, you will get respect for a couple/three/four miles, then if you have not waved me past in a safe place, I will pass you when I feel like it, and you might not get any warning, but you will get a wave and a honk after the fact.

There will always be 20-something idiots on the road, and this place is nothing diferent. If you can keep your own stuff in check, then you will be much better off for it. If you think you might get run over or run off by them, then you shouldnt be here anyhow. Its the thrill of the road, and all that it comes with that people come here to see, so dont tell me you didnt expect faster riders here.

Share the road. We are all here to enjoy the smae thing, as we are all like minded people. I think this is where I say... do unto others.

[spiderweb]

Ben, Its not the faster riders I have a problem with. Its the recklless,unskilled and lack of good judgement riders. It looks like not to many here are happy with my opinion. But its my opinion and I like it! And it gives you guys somthing to talk about. Ride Safe today and you'll be able to ride tomorrow!

[flyingMINI]

spiderweb, I don't necessarily disagree with you. Those who are out there passing on blind curves may learn their lesson and hopefully they or someone else won't lose a life or a good quality life over it. If I'm in a situation where someone is passing me like that I'll slow down, move over, let them by, pray they realize how unsafe that is, all as I speak of how stupid I think that is (especially if my daughter who is driving age is with me; a teaching moment.)

The remarks about passing cruisers with them not knowing the other bike/car is there, they need to be taking more quick glances in their mirrors, especially knowing others are around and may come up at any moment, and they need to turn their radios down. I got behind cruisers a couple of different times when I could hear their music. I know their bikes are loud and it's hard to hear music, but if there is going to be complaints about how unsafe people are driving/passing then being more watchful is even MORE important. And that is up to you yourself. (Not saying you specifically do this. This is just what I came across.)

My problem are those, NOT JUST cruisers and I'm certainly not talking about family's in minivans who are just passing by, who CHOOSE NOT to move over and let others by who CHOOSE to drive faster than them. It appears as if they have the attitude of 'this is how I'm slaying the Dragon and I'm not moving for anyone who wants to slay it differently'. They know I'm there because I saw them check. And yet, they still CHOOSE to NOT move. That's what frustrates me!

I would move over and wait, but by the time I do that here come some more. Passing slower people is different in a car than on a bike. A bike doesn't need as much room and has a much faster pick up. I'm not willing to risk my life passing near a curve because it takes me longer to finish my pass. I realize there is no perfect way to solve this, someone has to give. Whether it's me, you, or someone else. I'll give, but I don't want to everytime just as I know everyone else doesn't want to everytime.

So, why can't those who are going slower just move over and let those who are going faster get by whether it's a bike or a car? The do unto others is a great thought then everyone gives.

I do realize the next time I come up there I will have to stay longer than one day because of all the slower guys so that maybe I'll get an opportunity to slay the dragon how I choose and not how someone else chooses for me.

[Ben]

Ben, Its not the faster riders I have a problem with. Its the recklless,unskilled and lack of good judgement riders. It looks like not to many here are happy with my opinion. But its my opinion and I like it! And it gives you guys somthing to talk about. Ride Safe today and you'll be able to ride tomorrow!

Im with you Spider. Im not talking about the faster riders. They can take care of themselves just fine. They know when and where to pass. Many a time I have sat behind someone for miles(with my bike overheating) because I dont want to scare the crap out of someone.

As far as the others opinions of you, I already know that wont bother you, and yes, you are totally allowed to have your own opinion. I respect that 100%. I also respect all riders until they show me otherwise.

Bottom line. We are all here for the same thing. Having fun, riding bikes, and hanging with like minded individuals.

[Dragonslayer]

But what I dont like is the the 20 year old no fear thing when guys are passing on blind curves with the possiblity of one of those trucks or people that can't stay in there own lane coming in the other direction. They are putting others lives at risk for the satisfaction of quick run down the dragon.

Gotta agree. I'll pass, but not in no blind curve. I love runnin' the twisties, but no curve is worth your life. Accidents still happen, but hey - let's not end up on Killboy's "Idiot Of The Week",....or worse.

[748L052]

1. The local economy, with which I have a career long acquaintance, was 15 years ago & will be very little different with or without bikes. Sorry. Most arrive here with a fancy machine and a $20 bill and behave as though they can't afford to break either.

As for the attitude of "tourist dollars buying" place. That's exactly expecting to buy a prostitute. Sorry. Local culture sort of doesn't go there...

2. Blind corners. Give some thought to the idea that some see more & have a given ability to processs more info & know where & how to see more of the road than others. Some have years and years of experience and have literally memorized markers, brake, turn in, apex, etc. for as much as 90% of the gap road. Almst all good riders are looking at the next turn or two while entering the one directly ahead. Sorry, there are plenty of places, most in fact, to do so if one knows how to do it.

Blind to you, yes. Blind to me, porhaps not.

3. 20 year old. At 64 I'll let them speak for themselves. But, since they are suited up in a helmet state how are you able to determine ages?

4. Central point. Extremely difficult place to ride quickly. Did it ever occur to you to realize that those who can cruise at approximately twice your speed probably are pretty good riders? Does not the rapidly approaching from rear headlight register? Sight seeing seldom leaves capacity for watching mirrors - anywhere - this road - ridiculous. Anyone who confesses to sightseeing at any speed on this road is 100% road hazard to all others. And that's got nothing whatsoever to do with speed. Think about it, if you can.

[spiderweb]

[QUOTE=748L052]1. Blind to you, yes. Blind to me, porhaps not.

Oh! Ok Is this where Im supossed to bow down and say. Your the local and everything you say is Gospel. Well I dont think so. This is America and if any American wants to drive on any road in this country at posted speeds or at a safe and prudent speed depending on weather conditions or their ability they have the right to do so. That includes moms mini vans, stationwagons full of kids or rvs towing boats. And its up to you as the person coming up to a slower vehicle to mantain control of your vehicle and pass where the law allows you to pass. I dont think Tennesee law says you can pass on double yellow lines on curves infact I dont know of any state in this country that does! Just because in your mind you think you live in a "pass and let pass neighborhood" doesnt mean that its right or legal. The only reason I posted what I did is that after several months of reading the posts here it seems as if some people here think that because they live there or ride there more often then others that you have a special set of rules for that particular section of road. If you dont like the increased traffic on 129 then you should
be bringing that up with the people who are promoting that section of road with there websites. As for me I have been visiting that area long before that area was being promoted as a sportbike meca as the Dragon or Tail of the Dragon I was riding that area when it was just good ol Deals gap. Instead of getting your undies in a bunch maybe you should find a less busy section of road that is not being advertised and run your car or bike full out there. For now Im afraid that your stuck with what you have on 129 because of the advertising. So dont take it personal with what I said on earlier posts I was just bringing up another view point. As far as I know this still is America and I still have the right to speak freely. Sorry you dont like my veiwpoint but it makes us even because I dont like yours either! So anyway I say have a nice day maybe we can argue this topic over a beer( I'll buy ) someday when Im down there enjoying the hills and the curves the way I like to enjoy them.

[MilleArp]

....Moving to the right a little (when you get the chance) is simply a act of courtesy.


+ 1 !!!

It's really just that simple... no different than staying in the right lane of a multi-lane road if you ride/drive slow.

.

[MilleArp]

... Its not the faster riders I have a problem with. Its the recklless,unskilled and lack of good judgement riders. ...


Agreed.
But they're everywhere, even up here in MI.

The Gap is simply a bike-rich environment, therefore, higher population of all cross-sections of riders; from rolling-roadblock cruisers to squidly punks with more testosterone than brains.

Poor riding is poor riding, no matter what the brand/type/style.

(Oh, and I've seen FAST SKILLED cruiser riders in the Gap before, too! They're just rare beasts... anyone remember Animal?)
.

[Dragonslayer]

Blind corners. Give some thought to the idea that some see more & have a given ability to processs more info & know where & how to see more of the road than others. Some have years and years of experience and have literally memorized markers, brake, turn in, apex, etc. for as much as 90% of the gap road. Almst all good riders are looking at the next turn or two while entering the one directly ahead. Sorry, there are plenty of places, most in fact, to do so if one knows how to do it.
Blind to you, yes. Blind to me, porhaps not.

Congratulations on your use of the Force Yoda. I'm pretty familiar with the road too, some places I can look ahead and judge, others ain't worth it.

[spiderweb]

1.

2. Blind corners. Give some thought to the idea that some see more & have a given ability to processs more info & know where & how to see more of the road than others. Some have years and years of experience and have literally memorized markers, brake, turn in, apex, etc. for as much as 90% of the gap road. Almst all good riders are looking at the next turn or two while entering the one directly ahead. Sorry, there are plenty of places, most in fact, to do so if one knows how to do it.



Just a reminder for 748L052 and all motorcyclist wanting other bikes to move over so they can pass in the same lane it is illegal to pass in the same lane and you can be ticketed according to tennessee law.

Lane Splitting: 55-8-182. Operation of motorcycles on laned roadways (b) The operator of a motorcycle shall not overtake and pass in the same lane occupied by the vehicle being overtaken. (c) No person shall operate a motorcycle between lanes of traffic or between adjacent lines or rows of vehicles.

[spiderweb]

LOLOL
Totally tired of being lectured about why the gap road equivalent of sitting in the left lane holding up the rest of the world is "the right thing to do"




Well according to your State of Tennessee law it is the right thing to do !
But I wouldnt know about that. Im just a flat lander from michigan.

55-8-121. No-passing zones. —

The department of transportation is hereby authorized to determine those portions of any highway where overtaking and passing or driving to the left of the roadway would be especially hazardous and may by appropriate signs or markings on the roadway indicate the beginning and end of such zones. When such signs or markings are in place and clearly visible to an ordinarily observant person, every driver of a vehicle shall obey the directions thereof.


[Acts 1955, ch. 329, § 20; impl. am. Acts 1959, ch. 9, § 3; impl. am. Acts 1972, ch. 829, § 7; T.C.A., § 59-821.]

[flyingMINI]

spidey, you have opened a can of worms. You can't tell me you've never broken the law on your bike in any form or fashion. I don't have a problem with you or your opinion, but you've taken a step that sounds more like whining than anything else. People don't come to the Dragon to obey the law and YOU know it. Most come to break it, speed limit wise. As someone else on here has already said, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for a few miles or passing by a few pull offs, but if you refuse to move over I have the right to pass you whenever and wherever I choose because you choose to be a ...a...TOOT! (I don't cuss.)

Personally, I want to slay that Dragon. If you don't want to that's fine. I think there should be more 'sharing' of the road. If you come up on me and you're going faster than I want or feel comfortable going, great! I'll move over and motion you by. So, if I come up on you and I'm going faster than you want or feel comfortable going, then you can move over for me and wave me by. If not, I may ride closer to your butt than you like because I'm in a car and can't pass unless you move over and let me by. Fair?

[Tank]

Ok, if we want to keep it legal I suppose you follow this TN law every time you go down:

55-8-166. Driving on mountain highways. —

The driver of a motor vehicle traveling on mountain highways shall hold such motor vehicle under control and as near the right-hand edge of the highway as reasonably possible and, upon approaching any curve where the view is obstructed within a distance of two hundred feet (200") along the highway, shall give audible warning with the horn of such motor vehicle.

[Acts 1955, ch. 329, § 66; T.C.A., § 59-867.]

Its really up to you.

You can stick to the law and ride the road at 30MPH and I will have no problem passing you in a safe manner and we will all have a fun day.

You can run it without regard to the 30MPH speed limit and slow down to let me pass you in a safe manner and we all will have a fun day.

The last choice you have is to run the turns at 20MPH then go wide open in the straights to insure that nobody can get past you. Nobody really has any fun when you choose to do this, but you do get to go home to Michigan and brag to all your buddies that nobody could pass you on the Dragon.

[flyingMINI]

Hi,
Way to go, Tank. Your reply was priceless!
I'm Flying Mini's hubby, and I was on the Dragon on my Monster. We had great fun while we were there and ready to go back. The early morning rides were the best. I could blast up and down the hill w/o many impediments.
Most riders are courteous when passing or letting others pass. We did get stuck behind large groups of cruisers that I couldn't get by. They spread out in the curves, then bunched up in the areas I would have passed. I didn't see it as malicious, just a group dynamic.
The attitude displayed by Spiderweb is a persistent stereotype of the Harley crowd. Others like him have led the sportbike guys to assume that they are all jerks. I'm glad that most riders are genuine enthusiasts who just like bikes and the folks who ride them.
I also appreciate people who can handle their rides whatever they are. Not to perpetuate another stereotype, but I didn't nearly get run over by any sportbikes while I was there. I WAS greeted by a dresser Harley full in my lane as I boogied around one tight turn. I took the white line to squeeze by him, so no harm done. Good thing my angels were flying with me. ;)
JP

[Popeye]

Hi everybody,
I also was on the Dragon with Flying Mini and her husband and I agree with them. We came a long way to ride that road and when we get hung up behind a cruiser that is doing 20 or less thru the twisties it sure makes it less than challenging. I followed minivans through that were going faster than some of the cruisers, but as Flying Mini says, if everybody would just move to the right white line and hold their speed steady, we would be happy to boogie right on by. "Slaying the Dragon" has different meanings to different people, but to me, at least, "slaying" doesn't happen at 20 mph or less. Just my thoughts.

[spiderweb]

The attitude displayed by Spiderweb is a persistent stereotype of the Harley crowd.

You Guys are just all still pissed because we would'nt wave at ya in the 60's 70's and 80's for riding Rice!:)

[spiderweb]

Ok, if we want to keep it legal I suppose you follow this TN law every time you go down:

55-8-166. Driving on mountain highways. —

The driver of a motor vehicle traveling on mountain highways shall hold such motor vehicle under control and as near the right-hand edge of the highway as reasonably possible and, upon approaching any curve where the view is obstructed within a distance of two hundred feet (200") along the highway, shall give audible warning with the horn of such motor vehicle.

[Acts 1955, ch. 329, § 66; T.C.A., § 59-867.]


Good one Tank.......Nice job! Y'all have a nice day.:D

[spiderweb]

spidey, you have opened a can of worms. I may ride closer to your butt than you like because I'm in a car and can't pass unless you move over and let me by. Fair?

Fair enough! Ok I'll let it go. I only started all this because I see post after post about cruisers being so slow and holding everbody up! Just getting even for all the whining you guys do about cruisers and those of us who ride HD's. And there is nothing wrong with a little thought provoking dialog! No hard feelings ?:)

[flyingMINI]

Fair enough! Ok I'll let it go. I only started all this because I see post after post about cruisers being so slow and holding everbody up! Just getting even for all the whining you guys do about cruisers and those of us who ride HD's. And there is nothing wrong with a little thought provoking dialog! No hard feelings ?:)


No hard feelings, spidey. ;) When I started this thread I wanted to get opinions of all kinds of riders...cars, trucks, sport bikes, cruisers, HDs..all of them. You did supply some passion. I hope I didn't offend you. I don't like talking like that, but I will when provoked. I want everyone to ride at their own pace because if you're riding over your head, that's dangerous and people get hurt. I also want everyone to be more courteous to others as well.
My intention wasn't to bash cruisers, read my first post, it was to bash all those going slower than the one behind them and refused to move to let them by. (it just happens to be cruisers most of the time.)
I did come across several cruisers who would move over and let us by. Unfortunately, most didn't, but on the other side of that a Miata wouldn't move for me but a Vette did.
I do wish though I could just understand why some people, no matter what they are in or on, just refuse to move over. I guess that's why I started this thread, to try and understand. It's hard for me to fathom why people intentionally want to be rude. If I could understand why then maybe it wouldn't frustrate me so.

[Dragonslayer]

I do wish though I could just understand why some people, no matter what they are in or on, just refuse to move over.

Sometimes it may be a prideful ego that wants to be king. Sometimes it may be a new rider who is concentrating on the road (wise to do on The Dragon) and just hasn't looked in their mirror. Sometimes it may be someone who hasn't read this thread, and the idea to move over hasn't clicked in their head. Sometimes it may be the dummy who sees you as a challenge and is saying "let's see what you got." Sometimes it may be one of those mysteries of the universe we're just not supposed to understand. See ya on The Dragon. :D

[Tank]

You Guys are just all still pissed because we would'nt wave at ya in the 60's 70's and 80's for riding Rice!:)

Yea, I am still a little bitter about that.

At least the Harley guys wave now. Those BMW guys are still snobs.:D

[748L052]

Some of us are writing about how the gap road has always been & should continue to be "share & share alike". It's always been done & is not hard to learn to do.

Some of us are writing about how it should be according to one individual's ego's personal comfort zone.

& LOL why don't you stop by down at Blount County Sheriff's HQ and directly volunteeer to consult with them to sort out their work. Maybe even sign up formally. You obviously think they are failing in their work & are unfamiliar with TN code... I am confident you will be treated politely and thanked appropriately despite your insufferable "ubermench" attitude.

[batguano]

I agree.
Most of the problems I have had are the slower cars that are driven by people from out of that area. it seems the locals know the game and will move over to let you pass. Since crossing the yellow is deadly, I never go around unless I can stay on my side.
I love the dragon and hope it stays the same as it is now.
My ride is a Honda S 2000.

[Dragonslayer]

I took my day off from work earlier this week (Monday) and went to 129. I think the cruiser bikes slightly outnumbered the sportbikes that day. When I came up behind them, most were very cool about letting me by. I try to signal "thanks" to them when they do. Only one guy was being a butt-munch. With me and another guy both behind him, he'd do about 20 in the turns, and gun it when the road straightened a bit, riding either in the middle or next to the yellow lines when we wanted to pass. Fortunately we were almost to the end anyway.

[GrasshopperTX]

Sometimes it may be a prideful ego that wants to be king. Sometimes it may be a new rider who is concentrating on the road (wise to do on The Dragon) and just hasn't looked in their mirror. Sometimes it may be someone who hasn't read this thread, and the idea to move over hasn't clicked in their head. :D
My dad and I will make our first ever trip to the Dragon in 2 weeks and I can guarantee that if I'm not moving over for you its because as a fairly novice rider I'll be more concerned with my safety than of your need for speed.

[Tank]

if I'm not moving over for you its because as a fairly novice rider I'll be more concerned with my safety than of your need for speed.

And that is just what you should do, just concentrate on the road and have a safe ride!

Beginning riders should not worry about letting people around. Beginning riders are going so slow that nobody will have a hard time getting around them when the opportunity arises.

The people who cause the most aggravation are the ones who think they are fast and try to prove it. Believe me, if my slow ass catches up to you this means that you are not fast, so take it easy on the straights and let my slow ass get past you.

I'll be there in two weeks also, July 21 - 26, so stop on by room 3 and say hi.

[Dragonslayer]

I can guarantee that if I'm not moving over for you its because as a fairly novice rider I'll be more concerned with my safety than of your need for speed.

You should be. My need for speed I'll take care of. Be careful Grasshopper and enjoy your ride.

[GrasshopperTX]

And that is just what you should do, just concentrate on the road and have a safe ride!

Beginning riders should not worry about letting people around. Beginning riders are going so slow that nobody will have a hard time getting around them when the opportunity arises.

I'll be there in two weeks also, July 21 - 26, so stop on by room 3 and say hi.
:) Thanks for the encouragement. We'll be warming up to the dragon with the Blue Ridge Parkway and 441. We check in to DG on the 25th, wasn't told what room. But thanks, i'll stop by and say "hey".

[Tank]

Ok, I'll keep an eye out for you!

[CT Bits]

I too enjoyed my first rip to the dragon - even though I had read theis forum quite I bit, I was not really prepared for the reality of being passed by a flock of screaming sport bikes on a double yellow sharp curve. Yes, I would pull over when I saw a screamer in my mirrors, but sometiimes that was impossible as the road requires a lot of attention and the rear view may be very short due to the frequency of the curves. I limited my riding to end before 10 a.m. after my first days' run around noon. There are so many wonderful roads in the area that I think my next visit will find one run on the dragon for "old times sake" and the rest of the time exploring. It was very nice to hit some of the other roads that were almost as challenging, but far less crowded.

Ride safe!

[heySkippy]

^^ What day of the week were you there?

I've been on the Dragon on both weekend and weekdays and the weekdays are enormously more enjoyable. Less cars and way less bikes.

[CT Bits]

Fri and SAt - right after the 4th, so that may have had something to do with it.

[kerrbon]

And that is just what you should do, just concentrate on the road and have a safe ride!

Beginning riders should not worry about letting people around. Beginning riders are going so slow that nobody will have a hard time getting around them when the opportunity arises.

The people who cause the most aggravation are the ones who think they are fast and try to prove it. Believe me, if my slow ass catches up to you this means that you are not fast, so take it easy on the straights and let my slow ass get past you.

I'll be there in two weeks also, July 21 - 26, so stop on by room 3 and say hi.

My wife and I will be there July 21 to 26 also, but staying in Robbinsville. If I remember, I will look you up!

[Tank]

My wife and I will be there July 21 to 26 also, but staying in Robbinsville. If I remember, I will look you up!

You can't miss me!

I'm not the fastest guy on the hill, but I MIGHT be the fastest guy in my weight class!

[johnmcd]

Last time I checked 129 was a public road not a closed circuit race course. You run like you want and the rest of will run it like we want. To many of you guys ragging on cruisers. Deals gap is not an exclusive play ground for sport bikes and
sport cars ! Seems to me there are only one or two legal spots to pass. All those idots passing on curves with double yellow lines are endangering the lives of others. Thats selfish and your breaking the law!

That about sums it up, the attitude that can make riding in the mountains such a drag. You get behind these long trains of cruisers riding staggered within a couple of bike-lengths of each other, and even if a passing lane does open up, it's like trying to get around 4 semis at once. Show some courtesy, you're on a bike, not in a car, just move over a little and make some room, if your ego's not too big to handle it.
I own a Harley too, (as well as several other bikes), but would never even think about imposing my pace on someone else just because I happen to be on a road with few 'legal' passing opportunities. I've moved over for people when I was on the R1 up there. Some people are faster, and sometimes I just feel like riding a slower pace, it's no big deal, just get out of the way. Don't be a d1ck.

[kawasakibob]

That about sums it up, the attitude that can make riding in the mountains such a drag. You get behind these long trains of cruisers riding staggered within a couple of bike-lengths of each other, and even if a passing lane does open up, it's like trying to get around 4 semis at once. Show some courtesy, you're on a bike, not in a car, just move over a little and make some room, if your ego's not too big to handle it.
I own a Harley too, (as well as several other bikes), but would never even think about imposing my pace on someone else just because I happen to be on a road with few 'legal' passing opportunities. I've moved over for people when I was on the R1 up there. Some people are faster, and sometimes I just feel like riding a slower pace, it's no big deal, just get out of the way. Don't be a d1ck.
AMEN!!

Well Said!!!!!!

[Dragonslayer]

Seems this one could go on forever. Almost everyone has the same opinion on this subject. Whether someone's on a cruiser, a sportbike, 2 wheels, 3 wheels, or 4 wheels: the cool ones will be cool, and the fart knockers will be fart knockers.

[spiderweb]

despite your insufferable "ubermench" attitude.
Wow.... that right there is a real big word that I never have heard Im gonna have ta look that one right there up so I can learn what it means!



Ok.... I looked it up you probably should learn how to spell it before you put it in a sentence.

Definition: Ubermensch
Ubermensch
Noun

1. A person with great powers and abilities.

[spiderweb]

Maybe those of you who keep bitching about what I have written should read the front page of the 2 dragon websites and read about the recent deaths which has not only caused hardship on those familys lives but has also brought heavy inforcement on that section of 129. So again I ask you was it really worth it. I think you would be fools to say it was! But hey level headed thinking seems to have gone out with the garbage these days and selfishness rules! So just remember those who live by the sword also die by the sword. Enough said!

[spiderweb]

I own a Harley too, (as well as several other bikes)
Don't be a d1ck.
Originally I wrote something else here but removed it because I don't want to stoop to your level! But I will say this $15,000.00 and 15 miles doesnt make you a biker! Its a pretty good bet that your just a yuppie showboat R.U.B the proof is in your own words. I rest my case !
"I own a Harley too, (as well as several other bikes),"

[Tank]

$15,000.00 and 15 miles doesnt make you a biker!

Ok, now you have really opened up a can of worms!

Tell us how we can identify "real bikers".

I'm pretty sure I am not one because I ride a japanese bike. I don't have any tattoos either.

Are real bikers lawless individuals who live life their own way and do their own thing, or are they law abiding spell checkers? (nothing personal there dude, just thought it was kind of funny)

[Dragonslayer]

He's one of those who has been riding motorcycles two years before he was even born. Maybe he will come down here and show us how to be "real bikers".

[Dragonslayer]

brought heavy inforcement on that section of 129.

"Real Bikers" criticize the spelling of others, without proofreading their own.

:D

[chrisarrington]

Ok, now you have really opened up a can of worms!

Tell us how we can identify "real bikers".

I'm pretty sure I am not one because I ride a japanese bike. I don't have any tattoos either.

Are real bikers lawless individuals who live life their own way and do their own thing, or are they law abiding spell checkers? (nothing personal there dude, just thought it was kind of funny)

True bikers are riders with it in their blood. I have rode Harley's, Suzuki's, Kawasaki's, and Yamaha's. Real bikers don't hide behind a coat of arms. They ride because they love to ride and not because it is cool. I have friends of the 1% variety and I have friends that wear nothing but HD clothing but their bike never gets out of the garage. Likewise I have sportbike friends that ride them like cruisers and other friends that can't seem to ride any other road than the Gap.

Or what Dragonslayer said.

[chrisarrington]

Maybe those of you who keep bitching about what I have written should read the front page of the 2 dragon websites and read about the recent deaths which has not only caused hardship on those familys lives but has also brought heavy inforcement on that section of 129.

That is not the reason of heavy enforcement. The enforcement started before this. Also these 3 people that died lately had nothing to do with crazy sportbikers running up and down the road passing on double yellows with no regard for anyone but themselves. It happened because these people pushed it a little too hard. It was nobodies fault but their own.

[spiderweb]

Ok, now you have really opened up a can of worms!

There is only one thing to do after opening a can of worms ....TIme to go fishing! :D

[spiderweb]

"Real Bikers" criticize the spelling of others, without proofreading their own.

:D
Ok ya got me I ran out of E's used an I instead. At least I didnt use some german word that nobodys heard of.

[spiderweb]

That is not the reason of heavy enforcement. The enforcement started before this. Also these 3 people that died lately had nothing to do with crazy sportbikers running up and down the road passing on double yellows with no regard for anyone but themselves. It happened because these people pushed it a little too hard. It was nobodies fault but their own.
Im not buying that at all. Your telling me that if there was'nt any wrecks,deaths,speeding. That the recent heavy enforcement would be the same on that section of road.....Ok what is the real reason? Why not stick all those cops on 441 or 75 or the cherohala skyway maybe the blueridge parkway

[spiderweb]

I have friends of the 1% variety and I have friends that wear nothing but HD clothing but their bike never gets out of the garage. Likewise I have sportbike friends that ride them like cruisers and other friends that can't seem to ride any other road than the Gap.

Thats nice Im glad you have friends

[spiderweb]

Ok, now you have really opened up a can of worms!

Tell us how we can identify "real bikers".

I'm pretty sure I am not one because I ride a japanese bike. I don't have any tattoos either.

Are real bikers lawless individuals who live life their own way and do their own thing, or are they law abiding spell checkers? (nothing personal there dude, just thought it was kind of funny)
Aw come on Tank you know your a real biker You put on some serious miles. Ya you ride rice but nobodys perfect.....:D By the way you have a pretty good website I stop by quite often and check out your trip stories

[spiderweb]

He's one of those who has been riding motorcycles two years before he was even born. Maybe he will come down here and show us how to be "real bikers". Hell ya.... I was raising hell while still in the womb.

We'll Im glad you guys have enjoyed pounding on me. Because I certainly have enjoyed firing you guys up. And man you guys rattle easy!! But Im am starting to get bored so I guess I'll go find somthing else to do. You may not like me but you gotta admit. This thread did make for some interesting reading for a couple of weeks so at least maybe you could thank me for that. Y'All have fun down there tearing up yur little section of road.:D :D :D :D

[spiderweb]

I couldnt resist this..... This is a quote from someone most of you respect and who visits this forum almost daily figure out who it is ? and then listen to his take on the gap recently...."The situation this year at Deals Gap is getting pretty bad. I don't like the way things are becoming down there and I think if things don't change soon it may never get any better. I hear a lot of people blame a lot of different things for why it is so bad. Some blame the slow cruisers, some blame the fast sport bikes. Many point their fingers at the Gold Wing riders or the automobiles. Some blame the police and some blame the businesses that profit from the tourists. Some blame tourists in general.

I blame everyone. I see cruiser riders do stupid things. I see sport bikes do stupid things. I see Gold Wings do stupid things. I see cars do stupid things. I see locals do stupid things. I see tourists do stupid things. Some times I do stupid things. None of the photographers or businesses cause us to do stupid things. The only reason the police are there is because we are doing stupid things. "

OK thats it. Im outta here!:)

[Tank]

I couldnt resist this..... This is a quote from someone most of you respect and who visits this forum almost daily figure out who it is ? and then listen to his take on the gap recently...."The situation this year at Deals Gap is getting pretty bad. I don't like the way things are becoming down there and I think if things don't change soon it may never get any better. I hear a lot of people blame a lot of different things for why it is so bad. Some blame the slow cruisers, some blame the fast sport bikes. Many point their fingers at the Gold Wing riders or the automobiles. Some blame the police and some blame the businesses that profit from the tourists. Some blame tourists in general.

I blame everyone. I see cruiser riders do stupid things. I see sport bikes do stupid things. I see Gold Wings do stupid things. I see cars do stupid things. I see locals do stupid things. I see tourists do stupid things. Some times I do stupid things. None of the photographers or businesses cause us to do stupid things. The only reason the police are there is because we are doing stupid things. "

OK thats it. Im outta here!:)

Listen, its obvious that whoever wrote that is a complete idiot. If anyone actually respects this looser then they are pretty screwy themselves.

Lets not cloud this argument with the ranting of a clearly deranged individual.

[Tank]

We'll Im glad you guys have enjoyed pounding on me. Because I certainly have enjoyed firing you guys up. And man you guys rattle easy!! You may not like me but you gotta admit. This thread did make for some interesting reading for a couple of weeks so at least maybe you could thank me for that. Y'All have fun down there tearing up yur little section of road.:D :D :D :D

You know why we rattle easy? Because we are bikers. We are like bombs just waiting for someone to light the fuse.

I likes you Spiderweb.

BTW: Can you believe I have never had the Vstrom to Michigan yet? You're right next door but I can't color in the state. Lets take a ride some day.

[Dragonslayer]

Ya you ride rice but nobodys perfect.....:D

That's true. I like Harley's rice myself. Uncle Ben ain't got nothin' on Willie G.

[Nomad1600]

Maybe there needs to be a 'gentleman's rule' of 'slower traffic momentarily move over'.

We were there right after the Mini's were having their rally (if that's what you were doing there, I assume so) and I moved over several times for sportbikes (I'm obviously on a cruiser = Nomad) but the cagers were the biggest problem in regards to being s-l-o-w.. especially those guys and gals in the funny looking Ford Crown Vic's with the silly roof lights and weird decal graphics... :)

Nomad

[Nomad1600]

There's a reason I don't rag on cruisers,...because I have one, a Harley bagger to be exact. I ride my UltraClassic when I want to take a long trip, and I ride my Buell when I want to go fast on the twisties. Yes, 129 is a public road and no one has more right to it than anyone else. However, if you want to come to the Dragon, you WILL have to deal with kneedraggin' fast bikes. Moving to the right a little (when you get the chance) is simply a act of courtesy.

Very well said. No reason to not move over. I did it several times on four runs through the Dragon over a few different days. Every time I did, I pulled to the right a bit and waved whomever by. They always waved and/or tapped the horn in appreciation. I was most impressed by the respect and courtesy displayed by what many people from the outside would think are a unruly bunch of bikers. Not the case at all.

Nomad.

[spiderweb]

Well.. It looks like its going to be a lot slower on the raceway now! I saw this coming all the way from Michigan. Now you guys have one cop for every biker down there. Hate to say it but I live for I told ya so's . Maybe now you'll be going slow enough to stop and smell the rose's.

[Tank]

They still don't have enough cops to give tickets to the hordes of wobbly-ass Harley riders who can't even keep it in their own lane at 20mph.









Take it easy, bug boy, just pokin at you a little bit!:)

[spiderweb]

They still don't have enough cops to give tickets to the hordes of wobbly-ass V-strom riders who can't even keep it in their own lane at 20mph.


Thats what I like about you Tank... You've got great sense of humor :D

[Tank]

Thats what I like about you Tank... You've got great sense of humor :D

Hey! Thats a lie. There are not hordes of wobbly ass Vstrom riders! I only know of one, but I'm not gonna mention his name!

Thats what I like about you, bug-boy, you know how to defend yourself!

[Cat]

Hey I like the groups of 15 cruisers...I would watch for them to leave the resort and follow them... that way I didn't get blamed for holding anyone up. :D Not meant to be an offense in any way. I mean when you got that many riding as a group you're pretty much guaranteed to go at a slower speed. I always pull over whenever possible but I do depend on the experience of the rider behind me to take the pass when he knows he can; and I try to ride the white when I have someone behind me. The clearance of my bike and my inexperience doesn't always allow me to pull off just anywhere. So if yah ever come up on a girl on a yellow lowered Triumph, just do what you gotta do (short of wrecking me or anyone else), I don't mind at all... :p

[Tank]

I'd much rather follow a slow girl on a Triumph than a ugly hairy guy on a Harley.;)

[Cat]

Thanks :o lol

[kerrbon]

I'd much rather follow a slow girl on a Triumph than a ugly hairy guy on a Harley.;)

This is an easy one - I agree with Tank, and I even ride a Harley!

There was a cute girl with a red shirt on a Harley (Dyna WG) riding last month on the Dragon. I talked to her just before you showed up at the Overlook Tank. Most ladies are on Sport Bikes though.

I waived a few sport bikes by last month while on the Dragon - it was common sense, a courtesy - which is how it should be.

[spiderweb]

I'd much rather follow a slow girl on a Triumph than a ugly hairy guy on a Harley.;)


Gotta Love a chic on a bike and on a Triumph is even better! I used to have a 71 Tiger TR6R it was a great bike still wish I had it. Im sure she is riding a new one But every time I hear the name it brings back good memories of the old lyme bikes.:cool:

[Cat]

I made the comment the other day that the Tigers look older than they are. I hear they're revamping them this year. And yes I'm on a new one :) My husband drives one also (lil bit older). I'm surprised you see more women on sportbikes...You mean on the back of one right? lol I never see that many when I'm there. Send em to my website! lol So do you think in 5 pages the subject has been settled? Cause I have a new topic to start, a rant if you will. Not sure if there is a thread for it already. Send me that way if there is, if not I'll start one. I've noticed on Killboy the exorbitant number of people in short sleeves, shorts, tennis shoes, flip flops etc.

[Tank]

I've noticed on Killboy the exorbitant number of people in short sleeves, shorts, tennis shoes, flip flops etc.


Doesn't bother me one bit. I am against helmet laws. I've probably ridden less than 50 miles total without a helmet, but I am still against helmet laws.

I don't think it is the governments place to protect us from ourselves. If a guy chooses to ride without a helmet, that is his choice, it does not harm me in any way.

Lets not start with the whole "it boosts insurance rates" thing. Lots of risky activities boost insurance rates.

[Cat]

Well I'm less about it being against the law. I'm guilty of riding that way before. It's more of a mentality that I don't think it's the place not to wear your gear. I mean of all the times you should wear it I think Deals Gap should be a given. Sorry, it just urks me. I tend to be a mama hen about things :). I know gear won't always save you but I don't like to gamble lol. Then again I guess thats the whole reason some people ride...

[Tank]

Thats fine if it irks you. You dress and ride how ever you see fit, and that is the way it should be.

Since I am pretty giant it is hard to find motorcycle gear that fits me. I'd probably wear more if it was available. Still, I am guilty of riding in a tshirt with no gloves. Some day I might pay the price. I sure hope not. So far I have never suffered any road rash, but I know it could happen at any time.

Road rash is rarely fatal. It's just plain stupid to ride without a helmet, but if that is someone elses choice who am I to tell them what to do?

Here in Ohio there is no helmet law. It is always funny in the spring and fall to see all the things guys will put on their heads to keep warm, but they would never consider just putting a helmet on!

[GL1800SK]

It's all about courtesy. Some people have it and unfortunatley most do not. It's not only at the Gap, it's on the roads, freeways, and interstates.

[Cat]

Yeah SC doesnt require a helmet either, but I can't ride without it. Like not wearing my seatbelt in the car...feel like I'll fall out lol.

[flyingMINI]

The MSF gives accident stats in their basic safety courses. They say 70% of all mc deaths are from head injuries. All you goobers who refuse to wear a good lid and justify your decision by making jokes and saying "I'll go when my number is up" are fools, plain and simple. Think of your families who love you and depend on you.
And those who think beach wear is a good substitute for real gear probably haven't experienced a nasty road rash. You know, the kind that just oozes and won't scab over. You may be the world's best rider, and good for you, but you share the road with lots of cagers with cell phones stuck in their ears or kids screaming in the back seat. Someone else's mistake can put you down or kill you.
I used to keep an old helmet with a divot the size of a baseball in the back to remind myself that would have been my head if I hadn't been wearing it. The road rash on my left hand from not wearing gloves comes to mind every time I see a guy or gal riding down the road in shorts and a tank top.
I don't like helmet laws simply because its your responsibility to protect yourself, not the government who desire more control over our lives. Groups like ABATE who have lobbied for repeal of helmet laws would be encouraging their use if they really cared about their members.
I may not like you at all but you are still fellow motorcyclists and I love you and want you to live to become old crusty bikers. So gear up, stay alert, and stay on your side of the road when I meet you on the Dragon.
JP

[GL1800SK]

The MSF gives accident stats in their basic safety courses. They say 70% of all mc deaths are from head injuries. All you goobers who refuse to wear a good lid and justify your decision by making jokes and saying "I'll go when my number is up" are fools, plain and simple. Think of your families who love you and depend on you.
And those who think beach wear is a good substitute for real gear probably haven't experienced a nasty road rash. You know, the kind that just oozes and won't scab over. You may be the world's best rider, and good for you, but you share the road with lots of cagers with cell phones stuck in their ears or kids screaming in the back seat. Someone else's mistake can put you down or kill you.
I used to keep an old helmet with a divot the size of a baseball in the back to remind myself that would have been my head if I hadn't been wearing it. The road rash on my left hand from not wearing gloves comes to mind every time I see a guy or gal riding down the road in shorts and a tank top.
I don't like helmet laws simply because its your responsibility to protect yourself, not the government who desire more control over our lives. Groups like ABATE who have lobbied for repeal of helmet laws would be encouraging their use if they really cared about their members.
I may not like you at all but you are still fellow motorcyclists and I love you and want you to live to become old crusty bikers. So gear up, stay alert, and stay on your side of the road when I meet you on the Dragon.
JP Somebody pick a scab? Sheesh.

Helmet laws/seat belt laws/Stupidly low speed limits are all the Govt trying to instruct you on how to live and what they feel is safe. People are not responsible for themselves anymore.

In Michigan they have a helmet law. I wear one because of the law. When I visit my family in IL, there is no helmet law. I still wear it, but not all the time. I enjoy my freedom of choice. (And yes, I have been down more than once, all I can say is "shit happens".)

:o Berating someone because they may not feel the same as you accomplishes nothing.:o

BTW.....what does all this "helmet arguement stuff" have to do with the topic of this thread? Just Curious? :lol:

[kerrbon]

Since I am pretty giant

Couldn't resist Tank - you are A pretty giant!

[Cat]

sorry about the thread highjack. I was going to start it all in a new thread (about not wearing any gear, not just a helmet) but it kinda just started here. Admin feel free to split the thread

[flyingMINI]

Sorry to pick up the "no gear" rant in this thread. Cat could state her case in the ChitChat forum. After ten pages, I think we've pretty much beat this one to death. I think all the sensible people have concluded that courteous people will move over and wave faster riders by when its safe to do so. End of discussion. :)
Ya'll be blessed and be safe out there,
JP

[Bad_karma]

Gear is important, but not the most important. You give up your freedoms fine but leave mine alone. For those of you that do not value the freedoms you are pissing away live overseas for awhile. Where your gear.
Joe

[Dragonslayer]

After ten pages, I think we've pretty much beat this one to death. I think all the sensible people have concluded that courteous people will move over and wave faster riders by when its safe to do so. End of discussion. :)
Ya'll be blessed and be safe out there,
JP

I'd like to second that!

[GL1800SK]

Gear is important, but not the most important. You give up your freedoms fine but leave mine alone. For those of you that do not value the freedoms you are pissing away live overseas for awhile. Where your gear.
Joe

And WEAR it too. :D